Sonnet to Envy
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- heinzs
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Sonnet to Envy
Sonnet to Envy
What dark and evil majesty does reign
within this realm, so long forgot and lost,
that bares the soul to unimagined pain
and opes the door to Satan's dev'lish host?
'Tis Envy makes its green-eyed self well known
that poisons all the heart's most cherished trove
and takes to earth the good that man has sown
to turn to hatred all that he does love.
Yet love alone must serve to sway the tide
and bring to end what darkness strives to harm
so light and freedom can at last abide
and come what may the best in life to charm.
My troth I pledge upon this winter's day
to keep thee safe and out of Satan's way.
1/12/2003
HeinzS
What dark and evil majesty does reign
within this realm, so long forgot and lost,
that bares the soul to unimagined pain
and opes the door to Satan's dev'lish host?
'Tis Envy makes its green-eyed self well known
that poisons all the heart's most cherished trove
and takes to earth the good that man has sown
to turn to hatred all that he does love.
Yet love alone must serve to sway the tide
and bring to end what darkness strives to harm
so light and freedom can at last abide
and come what may the best in life to charm.
My troth I pledge upon this winter's day
to keep thee safe and out of Satan's way.
1/12/2003
HeinzS
An' it harm none, do what ye will. Blessed Be.
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An excellently crafted sonnet my friend. Flowed like Guiness into a glass, and it was just as heady. The only question I've got is the word "opes" in the first stanza. Is there such a word?
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- heinzs
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Shakespeare used it. It's not in any current dictionaries, though. It's a one-syllable version of "opens". Mark it off to poetic license...
An' it harm none, do what ye will. Blessed Be.
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- heinzs
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Thank you Richard.
A question had arisen, posed by another old and trusted member of the Pages, to whit: "If a poet mimics or "copies" the style of another poet, is that a form of plagiarism?" My response was: "If that were so, then every poet who ever wrote a "Shakespearean" sonnet was guilty of the crime."
What is your take on this? I think that mimicking style is flattery for the poet being mimicked. Style and "voice" should be freely mimicked.
I did paint with a broad brush when I used the example of an accepted and traditional "classic" form of poetry .
Heinz
A question had arisen, posed by another old and trusted member of the Pages, to whit: "If a poet mimics or "copies" the style of another poet, is that a form of plagiarism?" My response was: "If that were so, then every poet who ever wrote a "Shakespearean" sonnet was guilty of the crime."
What is your take on this? I think that mimicking style is flattery for the poet being mimicked. Style and "voice" should be freely mimicked.
I did paint with a broad brush when I used the example of an accepted and traditional "classic" form of poetry .
Heinz
An' it harm none, do what ye will. Blessed Be.
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We all take particular words, which stick, in our minds from
Reading the poets we love words like meandering
Empyrean, encumbered, murmured, [a murmured sign]
I like sometimes to do gothic type poetry and these words
Which the masters used and I have learned I use I don’t think
There is anything wrong in that as long as the image is one you
Are creating, in the poem you are writing. I think that applies to
Writing in Elizabethan poetry style too Heinz’s old English those words
Should not be lost I personally like to see them used in today’s poetry.
Reading the poets we love words like meandering
Empyrean, encumbered, murmured, [a murmured sign]
I like sometimes to do gothic type poetry and these words
Which the masters used and I have learned I use I don’t think
There is anything wrong in that as long as the image is one you
Are creating, in the poem you are writing. I think that applies to
Writing in Elizabethan poetry style too Heinz’s old English those words
Should not be lost I personally like to see them used in today’s poetry.
Heinz
Heinz I liked it very much..and as for
GP Debbie..I think your great dear Heinz.
And Heinz I couldn't agree with you more..hey its okay to take different styles from song writers .....so dance on Heinz...we all might dance the same waltz but we all do it differently from the first person that ever invented it...If a poet mimics or "copies" the style of another poet, is that a form of plagiarism?" My response was: "If that were so, then every poet who ever wrote a "Shakespearean" sonnet was guilty of the crime."
GP Debbie..I think your great dear Heinz.
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Thank you, Debbie! I am particularly fond of the classical Shakespearean sonnet form and am always surprised when I am actually able to create one that even I like
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I know nothing about what a sonnet is, but I really like that.
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A tricky question, Heinzs, with risky answers or opinions.
I don't mind a 'hue' of, say, Shakepeare or Poe in my poems, in what I write, but, I cannot seem to turn myself over to someone else's vernaculared, environmentaled, spatial placement in their time to where I could write so as to be 'style-taken' for a Poet of Old. It rubs my mind-fur the wrong way. I want my style to be fresh, and invigorating, intriguing and mystifing, different yet beautiful. Recognizable as being totally me.
I noticed a few of 'you-anomalies' in your piece, though I would be hard pressed to know it from Olden Poets, since I haven't studied their 'voices'. Oh, sure, a perusal here and there, Pope, Shakepeare, Poe, Mallarme, etc. When my computer's hard drive went down, January or February of 2003, and was at the shop for twelve days, I checked out several anthologies of Poets of different periods, did a quick study, printed off 96 pages of poetic terms, and read over them a few times.
I like the first line enjambment, and, the piece seems 'heavier' in the first verse, not in an explanation way, but, like a mind being sludgy with ache, trying to write a profound epiphany, then gaining clarity, and winging with a lighter-flowed, yet somber-contexted pace. A juxtapositioning, actually, cleverly composed.
Erin
I don't mind a 'hue' of, say, Shakepeare or Poe in my poems, in what I write, but, I cannot seem to turn myself over to someone else's vernaculared, environmentaled, spatial placement in their time to where I could write so as to be 'style-taken' for a Poet of Old. It rubs my mind-fur the wrong way. I want my style to be fresh, and invigorating, intriguing and mystifing, different yet beautiful. Recognizable as being totally me.
I noticed a few of 'you-anomalies' in your piece, though I would be hard pressed to know it from Olden Poets, since I haven't studied their 'voices'. Oh, sure, a perusal here and there, Pope, Shakepeare, Poe, Mallarme, etc. When my computer's hard drive went down, January or February of 2003, and was at the shop for twelve days, I checked out several anthologies of Poets of different periods, did a quick study, printed off 96 pages of poetic terms, and read over them a few times.
I like the first line enjambment, and, the piece seems 'heavier' in the first verse, not in an explanation way, but, like a mind being sludgy with ache, trying to write a profound epiphany, then gaining clarity, and winging with a lighter-flowed, yet somber-contexted pace. A juxtapositioning, actually, cleverly composed.
Erin
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Thanks Moonie...
Yes, the first stanza was designed to pose "the question" that is taken up in the succeeding verses and finalized (resolution) in the final couplet. I'm glad you recognize certain "me-isms" in this piece, which I attempted to sincerely mimic Shakespeare in honest reverance and flattery.
Yes, the first stanza was designed to pose "the question" that is taken up in the succeeding verses and finalized (resolution) in the final couplet. I'm glad you recognize certain "me-isms" in this piece, which I attempted to sincerely mimic Shakespeare in honest reverance and flattery.
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- ninian
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nicely done, heinzs, the meter flows so wonderfully....and you've stayed true to form
as for mimicking a style....it is just that...mimicry of a style...you're not taking someone else's words and making them your own, merely working in the style someone else has....
imitation is after all the sincerest...and all that
in any event, this sonnet is nicely done ;)
i doff my proverbial hat to you
nin
as for mimicking a style....it is just that...mimicry of a style...you're not taking someone else's words and making them your own, merely working in the style someone else has....
imitation is after all the sincerest...and all that
in any event, this sonnet is nicely done ;)
i doff my proverbial hat to you
nin
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Thanks Nin!
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